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psychobaby: are you for real?
Bill1991: Greetings
psychobaby: hello
Bill1991: I hope so
psychobaby: No, I just saw Freemason Chat Room and got thinking...
Bill1991: ok
Bill1991: So what's the problem?
psychobaby: what's Freemasonry really about? I mean, aside from all the skeptic and often wrong hype from the media, what is it really?
Bill1991: Freemasonry is the world's oldest fraternal organization. The lessons Freemasonry teaches in its ceremonies, are to do with moral values. A Freemason is basically encouraged to do his duty to his God, his family and those who dependent on him.
Bill1991: He is to help his neighbors through charity and service. None of these ideas are exclusive to Freemasonry, but all should be universally acceptable, and Freemasons are expected to follow them.
psychobaby: Ok, so it's like a brotherhood of sorts, with a code and everything where the main aim is solidarity among men?
psychobaby: His God?
Bill1991: That woud be part of it.
psychobaby: But how has it become equateed to some extent with the occult?
Bill1991: It's not.
psychobaby: Over here (In Kenya) it has
Bill1991: Why do you say that?
psychobaby: what I've gotten from teh media here at least is taht anything to do with Freemasons is regarded to some extent as dealng in the black arts.
psychobaby: Which I know is a lie
psychobaby: But I'm just interested in how it happened
Bill1991: YOu would have to ask the people of the media why they are spreading lies.
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psychobaby: I live in a very skeptic society
psychobaby: and from what I've learned, the media is a reflection of the society it serves
Bill1991: YOu can't blame Fremasonry for that either
psychobaby: I know. That's not what I'm doing.
Bill1991: Then what you've heard isn't true then............by you're own understaindings
Bill1991: Greetings Piyudi
psychobaby: But to some extent Freemasonry has encouraged that
piyudi2000_1: hey bill
Bill1991: How?
psychobaby: Becoming even more shrouded in mystery
psychobaby: and retreating isn't exactly the best way to do your PR now, is it?
Bill1991: Just because Masonry doesn't respond to lies, doesn't make it any less than it is.
Bill1991: Freemasonry doesn'
Bill1991: doesn't have to do PR work
psychobaby: It has to.
psychobaby: In order to survive
Bill1991: nope............never did ...........never will
psychobaby: Why do you think the Shakers died out? And convents in Europe are shrinking?
Bill1991: Just because Masonry doesn't fit any of your preceived ways of existing, doesn't make it wrong or mysterious.
psychobaby: It's not me, it's the rest of the world.
Bill1991: AS you preceive it.
Bill1991: Greetings Jamie
jamie_379: hi there
psychobaby: And bvelieve me, everything fits along a certain pattern, from your basic monotheistic religion to the running of the most complex economy in the world
Bill1991: Masonry is not a religion
psychobaby: Haven't said it is
psychobaby: I said everything follows a certain pattern. Everything human has a source, a course and an outcome
Bill1991: so everything has to fit into a litel box then.
psychobaby: no, everything eventually flows along the same course. Something like a river
psychobaby: or an ocean current
psychobaby: sorry for attacking you like that
psychobaby: I mean, I have a tendency to overthink things
Bill1991: I see that
psychobaby: but you're a nice guy
Bill1991: I try to be
psychobaby: *smiles* I can see that
psychobaby: Are you a freemason?
Bill1991: yep
psychobaby: how long?
Bill1991: over 20 years
psychobaby: that's longer than I've been around. I'm turning 20 on Friday
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Bill1991: ok
psychobaby: why'd you become a freemason?
psychobaby: If it's not too private a question?
Bill1991: it is but I'll answer it
Bill1991: My family are Masons so it just seemed lke the thing to do at the time.
psychobaby: ok
psychobaby: by at the time it sounds like you didn't have much of a choice
Bill1991: sure I did
psychobaby: Sorry, that came out rude
Bill1991: I was a Demolay and that is the next sept
psychobaby: so you started young?
Bill1991: I guess you could say that
psychobaby: which is why you know way more about it than I ever will
psychobaby: I have this Freakonomics attitude towards life
Bill1991: I see that
psychobaby: where I believe that one theory can explain a whole load of other often unrelated phenomena
Bill1991: naaaaa doesn't work
psychobaby: but in some cases it does.
Bill1991: You can always make a theory fit..............but is it right.
psychobaby: like Supply and Demand can be used to explain more than just open market economics
psychobaby: in some cases. Depends on what you use the theory for. some people push it, like justifying genocide or general human evils with one theory, natural selection
Bill1991: If you do what you always do.......you'll et what you alwaws got
psychobaby: what, people never learn?
Bill1991: yes they do...........when they want too.
psychobaby: but they may choose to inore the obvious
psychobaby: ignore
psychobaby: people do that sometimes
Bill1991: people do lots of things
psychobaby: and one of them is ignore conventional wisdom
Bill1991: human nature can not be put in a box anymore than anything else can be.
psychobaby: but all men are created equal, therefore all men are composed of the same fundamental functions
Bill1991: if you are talking about the bodie
psychobaby: not th body, the mind
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Bill1991: The mind is diferent for each person............that's what gives us shuch diversity in life.
Bill1991: YOu seem to be stuck on putting things in little boxes...........it doesn't work
psychobaby: But it's not that we have different minds, we have different versions of the same mind
Bill1991: YOu keep confusing phisical with mental...........there are no two minds alike
psychobaby: because each version is different
psychobaby: Like my fingerprint is different from yours, but that doesn't mean my finger is different from yours
psychobaby: And with mental, our minds are the same, but we think differently. Like having two identical computers, one with Vista, the other with Windows 98.
Bill1991: there you go with the box...........and confusing phicial with mental.
psychobaby: Which does not mean the computers are different, it means they work different
Bill1991: now you compare computers to people?
Bill1991: Greetings Fly
D_Fly_On_D_Wall: greetings
psychobaby: you have an idealistic view of the human being as incomparable to anything else
Bill1991: See now you re trying to put me in a box.
psychobaby: so you don't believe in making distinctions were possible, like the limit
Bill1991: Greetings Macboon
Bill1991: When you talk about people each is different and should be understood as different than the anyone else.
psychobaby: so I'm not the same as you?
Bill1991: Onc you start trying to fit them into a box........you will lose site of what you can learn and what they can teach you
Bill1991: only that we are both human beings...........that's the end of it
psychobaby: and that's my point exactly
psychobaby: we're both human beings, but when you add on the labels that come with being within a human society, religion, societal placement, that's when we start diversifying, but to a really big extent we're all the same
Bill1991: nope..........you'll never get it till you stop those littel boxes..........we are not the same never were newver will be.
Bill1991: even our DNA isn't the same
Bill1991: only that we are of the same spicies
psychobaby: so what happened to ''all men are created equal''
Bill1991: you are reading that line wrong
Bill1991: It means we have the same chance to be what we want as everyone else. WE start out as empty books and we learn from there.
Bill1991: Greetings Kush
psychobaby: learn what? How to become human?
Bill1991: What ever you need to learn.
psychobaby: don't we all at some point have to learn the same tings? I mean, we're not all born speaking or reading or adding
Bill1991: That goes without saying.............but that doesn't make us the same
Bill1991: Welcome Free
afreemason: Ty Bill
psychobaby: But since we do the same things, then what does that imply?
Bill1991: nothing
psychobaby: it implies a whole lot, Bill
psychobaby: You're refusing to see it from my perspective
psychobaby: You've put yourself into a box
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Bill1991: not really.........we all learn differently..........so even taught the same things we will be different people.
psychobaby: I agree with that, we will be different people, but at some level I still insist we are the same
Bill1991: not at all.............not phisicaly or mentaly.........we are different
Bill1991: back to the box again I see
Bill1991: brb
psychobaby: then why are we urged to conform or die?
psychobaby: I mean, go with society or lose out completely?
Bill1991: YOu don't have to..........that is up to you.
psychobaby: Ok, thanks Bill for a very interesting discussion. I have to leave for work now. I added your room to my favourites and hopefully I'll hear from you again